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Post  Sailor - Admin on Sun Jul 19, 2009 10:02 pm

Hi Guys,

The rules are currently under construction but essentially at this point in time any 22LR will do that shoots 1 inch at 50 meters is in. We are not allowing shooting jackets, boots, or any artificial support to strenghten your shooting positions. Cheek risers or adjustable combs allowed, no butt hooks or adjustable butts (tape it if you have an adjustable butt - otherwise see a doctor (joke!)). No palm rests, slings and bipods allowed. Please note what is on the rifle stays on the rifle throughout the whole match!
The reason it is taking so long is that we want everyone to shoot and have a chance to win and enjoy- there will be three rifle types of categories - light (non-modified sporting rifles), medium (modified sporting rifles - like with bull barrels, set triggers, etc), heavy rifles (target rifles)... most of this will be classified by weight: light 7.5 pounds and below. medium 7.6 to 10 pds, and heavy 10.1 pounds and above. The theory behind here is that the heavier gun is, the easier to shoot more accurately (kuno! - does that also hold for shooters weight? then I better start gaining.. (rimfire humour))

There will be some divisions - manual repeaters - bolt & lever, semi- autos, and single. We may also have age divisions - teenager or young adult, adult, senior, gender division - male, female, and civilians vs. LEO's. Since this is under the auspices of PPSA we are trying to conform to a format that we are all familiar with.
Competitons - minimum range 25?, 50?, maximum range 200? or 300? - max number of bullets per stage or per string 5 shots with a time of one minute - for single shots we may have an adjustment factor..

These are some of the things we are figuring out - there will be some who will make it a money game - meaning top of the line equipment and they will be welcome, there are others who will shoot out of the box with minimal expenditures and they will be welcome to. We just have to make sure we make the rules to let people shoot in the group that is similar to bring out the best and make the playing field level so that the world of rimfire is enjoyed - no politics please....

Will not promise that these are the rules that will come out but these are the issues... Smile


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PTRA CONCEPT MEETING DATED MAY 16, 2009

Post  Sailor - Admin on Sat Jul 25, 2009 9:16 pm

Guys,

For the benefit of all, am attaching herewith the first concept meeting to give you an idea of where we are coming from

These are concepts not yet written in stone. Something to chew on.

johnny g



PHILIPPINE TACTICAL RIMFIRE ASSOCIATION



(PTRA)


May 16, 2009


Discussions with Sonny Marin and Johnny Garcia dated May 7, 2008 and after our first experimental trial in Splendido with Sandy and Mike were as follows:


  • PREAMBLE
The organization will be an association under the PPSA umbrella – it will fall into a classification similar to the fun shoots so as not to preempt any new category by IPSC in relation to rim fire events


Why PPSA – this is because this is a tactical discipline which lends more towards combat shooting than the formal boring precision matches. The scenario playing plus the diversity of the matches gives the course it’s appeal and is completely opposite that of the formal shooting competitions which are
more or less the same every year.



The Buzz words here are tactical meaning diverse situations or a variety of course developed within guidelines set and reset(on a scheduled review basis) to ensure the continued development of both the sport and the players skills, and to level playing field for all shooters an all safe rimfire rifles; and long range as this is what we are looking and focused on . (we avoid using tactical in connotation with sniper, one shot one kill, and any words that will give the sport a bad name – to the extent possible). Tactical
can mean finding the best way to solve the shooting solution – we can allow freestyle shooting – if they feel they can do it standing instead of prone – by all means. The third Buzz word is Rimfire – in effect everything long range rimfire. The whole long range rimfire shooting though is derieved from
center fire long range courses.



The medium or entity recommended will be an association for long range rimfire shooters under the umbrella of the PPSA. Initial shoots to be held at Splendido Target range under the auspices of Tierra del
Fuego. The sport can start here, develop here, and always (national finals) end here. We can make this the equivalent of the Camp Perry or the Palma matches of the Philippines.



First step is to come out with the rules and regulations which JCG and MMM are currently working on. In the process we will form our own team and test the rules and matches.


Second will be to hold a trial competition with certain invited guests – people who can push the sport such as Gun club heads, industry stalwarts (Armscor, PB, Twin Pines, etc), FED, News persons, etc. The purpose of the trial will be to show them the potential and to start the advertising campaign
of the sport.



Third will be to do nothing but push competitions and keep everyone on line.


Fourth, once this snowballs we come up with different variations such as postal matches, three position matches, rifle ten.



  • STRUCTURE

The basic
classifications/divisions were laid out as follows:



DIVISIONS (3)


(1)Factory Light (sporter) (2)Factory Medium (3)Modified/Open/Full Target


Examples for classification: Ruger std. Ruger Target Ruger with Volquartsen barrel, Armscor bolt rifle,CZ
542, CZ Varmint BBL, Anchtuz Match - we have to classify these into the three boxes above without any misinterpretation!


Note :
We have to define the categories very well to make the
playing field level to attract shooters and yet not constrict the sport.
Remember in its original form there are no categories, just overall winners.


For the Factory Light (Sporters) we are protecting
all the ordinary folk with regular factory guns.


The Factory medium are all the upgraded factory produced rifles with bull or target barrels one grade below
match so to speak.


We can use a combination of factors such as weights to define the Divisions (Ex. Sporters 7 pounds
and below, Factory Medium 7.1 pounds to 10 pounds, modified/open/full target 10.1 and above; Barrels (regular barrels sporter, bull barrels & match barrels factory medium or Open); stocks (regular hunting for sports and Factory mediums, replacement and match stocks for the modified/open/full target), Trigger mechanism - pull and capability (ex.2 pds minimum for Sporters, Factory Medium 1-1.9 pds; Open below 1 pound) or open if we cannot control it or monitor it effectively.


Please note that we will not allow any palm rests, adjustable target butts (adjustable cheek combs are allowed),
not artificial supports except regular slings. Protective gloves will be allowed.

CATEGORIES:

1. By
Action

a. Single

b. Repeater Bolt/Lever

c. Semi Auto


2. By
Shooter


a. Junior (M/F)


b. Regular (M/F)


c. Senior(M/F)


d. MIL/LE (M/F)


  • PHILOSOPHIES, CONCEPTS, AND RULES
1. The Philosophy is to accept all shooters, keep it open, but just classify them to keep
it fair
and give everyone a chance to win. We will accept young and old, formal and first timers. We must
however keep it safe and fair. Allow those who want to make it a money equipment game to compete on their level, allow those with tight budgets to also compete and win.


2. We are shooting for PRACTICAL ACCURACY – not formal target accuracy, we therefore
will have no pinwheel scoring. It will be similar to combat shooting whether it is 2 or 50 meters what matters is putting it in the size of your palm in the target so to speak, in our case – one MOA. This is one of the factors that will differentiate us from formal long range shooting like the mini Palma courses or Camp Perry courses. Ties wil be decided by a shootout.

3. For reasons of leveling the playing field – meaning a marlin can fight an anchtuz or imported bullets will be level with local ones - all targets will have no center dots or pinwheels and this will never be used to break ties (ties should be broken in some other fashion preferably by a shootout to make things more exciting). The center of all targets will be limited to the following minimums until reviewed (targets to be reviewed every 6 months or annually if shooters are becoming too good):

i. 25 meters .5 inch center circle
ii. 50 meters one inch center
iii. 75 meters two inch center circle
iv. 100 meters three inch center circle
v. 150 meters steel plate or target circle of 4 inches
vi. 200 meters steel plate or target circle of 6 inches
vii. 250 meters steel plate or target circle of 8 inches

4. Par times – For shooting relays the par time will be a minimum of one minute for a maximum of 5 shots or less. No relay or stage will require a “speed reload” but will be made to allow a reload without penalizing. Maximum number of bullets per stage will be five. This is to allow a level playing fields for all weapons and is in line with make every shot count, one hit one kill etc. This is practical long rang sniping – not a CQB course.


5. Shortest distance to place a target 25 meters.


6. Longest distance is what you have (range wise - maxed out to 300)


7. You use one gun through out the whole course, if you start with a bipod and sling, you must have it on thru all stages. You cannot leave the bipod out when you go offhand and then put it on when you go prone. If you try to remove it during your timed fire you can do so but you will loose time and you have to put it
back for the next stage or relay.

8. No preparation time except for putting mats – no spotting scopes on the line as this is tactical solo unless it is part of the stage.


9. No alibi’s for malfunction weapons or bullets or misunderstanding the rules – only alibi for a refire is a range alibi.


10. No match accessories allowed like palm rest or adjustable butt stock hooks or adjustable butt stocks (they (adjustable ones) have to be taped to the regular position if used. Hooks not allowed.) Only slings and bipod allowed. No shooting jacket, boots, or shooting aides that provide artificial support for the shooter will be
allowed.


11. All courses and targets must be sanctioned by PTRA


12. All targets must have the following on the target paper:

i. Title of the target
ii. Yards to be used
iii. Scoring to be used
iv. Total number of rounds
v. A box for the shooter number


  • AWARDS:
Only the top overall winner (1st,2nd, and 3rd)will get medals all the rest will get certificates which will state the following:

a) Match name, date, and sponsor

b) Match/course number

c) Level of competency achieved in terms of overall aggregate placing

a. Master, expert, sharpshooter, etc. ( this will be defined as achieving a % of the total
possible score – so it may happen that let us say for a match no one received a
masters level or in effect achieved 90% to 100% of the total possible match
score.) This has to be defined.


d) Category indicated

a. Action

b. Shooter

e) Weapon
used, scope used, and ammo used.


This all to be registered with a central body which will make all available via the web.


  • NEXT
    STEPS:

MMM and JCG to continue to test out some of the course and start defining or detailing the items above. By Next week we should have enough ready to bring in the likes of Raul Arambulo and Mon Morales to test out our guidelines and rules to see if they are workable and realistic.

We must have the rules and regulations draft done by the end of May and have the first competition before
the onset of the rainy season.


End of Report


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2nd evolution of guidelines with new ideas added dated June 2009

Post  Sailor - Admin on Sat Jul 25, 2009 9:38 pm

PHILIPPINE TACTICAL RIMFIRE ASSOCIATION GUIDELINES
DRAFT

Table of Contents


I. General
a. Preamble
b. Purposes
c. Rules Review and Revision

II. Rifle Divisions
a. Light Rifles
b. Medium Rifles
c. Heavy Rifles

III. Rifle Actions Category

a. Single Action
b. Manual Repeaters (bolt and lever actions)
c. Semi-autos

IV. Ammunition Standards

V. Target Standards

VI. Safety Standards

VII. Range Standards

VIII. Competitions
a. Competition Officials
1. Match Director
2. Range master
3. Scorer

b. Competition Rules

1. Competition levels
a) Club
b) Inter club
c) Regional
d) National
e) Others
a. Funshoots
b. Half shoots

2. Courses of Fire

c. Competition Procedure

IX. Awards

I. General

a. Preamble

The organization will be an association under the PPSA umbrella – it
will fall into a classification similar to the fun shoots so as not to preempt
any new category by IPSC in relation to rimfire events



Why PPSA – this is because this is a tactical discipline which lends
more towards combat shooting than the formal/traditional repetitious precision
matches. The scenario playing plus the diversity of the matches gives the
course it’s appeal and is completely opposite that of the formal shooting
competitions which have more or less the same routine every year.


The Buzz words here are tactical meaning diverse situations or a
variety of courses developed within guidelines set and reset (on a scheduled
review basis) to ensure the continued development of both the sport and the
players skills, and to level playing field for all shooters and all safe rimfire
rifles; and long range as this is what we are looking and focused on .
(we avoid using tactical in connotation with sniper, one shot one kill, and any
words that will give the sport a bad name – to the extent possible). Tactical means
finding the best way to solve the shooting solution – we can allow freestyle
shooting – if they feel they can do it standing instead of prone – by all
means. The third Buzz word is Rimfire – in effect everything long range
rimfire (22 LR at first then the others to follow). Please note that the whole
long range of rimfire shooting this derieved from center fire long range courses.


The medium or entity recommended will be an association for long range rimfire shooters under the umbrella of the PPSA. Initial shoots to be held at Splendido Target range under the auspices of Tierra del Fuego. The sport can start here, develop here, and always (national finals) end here. We can make this the equivalent of the Camp Perry or the Palma matches of the Philippines. The finals can be a series of shoots in different places like Clark, Mindanao, and the Visayas with the end shoot in Splendido.

First step is to come out with the rules and regulations which JCG and MMM are currently working on. JCG is recruiting others hopefully with experience in the discipline or something close to it. In the process we will form our own think tank (nationwide hopefully) and experimental team to test the rules and matches. This will be the basis of PTRA.

Second will be to hold a trial competition with certain invited guests – people who can push the sport such as Gun club heads, industry stalwarts (Armscor, PB, Twin Pines, etc), FED, News persons, etc. The purpose of the trial will be to show them the potential and to start the advertising campaign
of the sport.


Third will be to do nothing but push competitions and keep everyone on
line.


Fourth, once this snowballs we come up with different variations such
as postal matches, three position matches, rifle ten and the like (in effect
centerfire matches scaled down and modified for rimfires)


Medium of Control – the PTRA will be an association under PPSA.
Original founders will be JPE, JCG, MMM,
and whomever we decide to join in initially (with JPE the obvious head of
course). There will be no change in officers or board in the first five years
except for resignations or deaths. The
reason behind this is to enable the give the sport a chance to grow in the
first 5 years. With a five year intial
tenure the original founders will control the officers and rules of the sport
thereby removing any politics which has caused so many Philippine sports to
flounder. Since it is a pioneer sport so to speak, (even in the US there have
only been a handful of matches since November of 2008) we will have to
continuously revise the rules on a periodic basis so as to come out with a
level but exciting playing field or fields if necessary. This we must do within
6 months to a year at the most. Then no change of rules except annually or even
for periods of two years so equipment bought can be stretched out and not
become obsolete so fast. This is one factor we have to answer to make it
affordable yet not lose the excitement. Only after we feel that the sport has
stabilized will control then be relinquished to an open association of the
sport.


Five years to keep politics out and make the whole idea move by focusing on competitions and sharing knowledge. After five years then we can have elections – by then we have either succeeded or failed.

b. Purposes

The purpose of the Philippine Tactical Rimfire Association is to introduce nationwide a new Rimfire shooting sporting activity that is affordable, intellectually stimulating and diverse, appealing to all ages, and caters to the full spectrum of rifle shooters from the weekend shooter to the person who pours in
his whole life savings into mastering the sport. The trick here is to level the playing fields to allow each type to compete fairly against each other and also to create new playing fields for those who want to go to the extreme of the sport. We will accept all types, but we will classify them, modify the rules,
change the targets, etc. – so as to keep the playing field level.


c. Rules Reviewand Revision

As this is a pioneer sport and to ensure that we continually are able to provide challenging courses to constantly improve the sport and the shooting skills of the Filipino Rimfire Rifleman; the rules will need to be continually modified to be able to provide an exciting yet level playing field.

Said review and possible revision will be done every quarter for the first year after which the rules are to be reviewed and revised if need be on an annual basis or after two year periods thereafter. Each revision will be published in the internet for all to see.

The board will form a review committee for every review at least three
to six months prior; to review the rules and make the recommendations to the
board who will approve or disapprove said recommendations.


The review committee must be composed of an odd number of persons to
avoid ties. The committee is duty bound to give the recommendation on the date
it is required as given by the Board of Directors. The Board of Directors have
15 days to approve or disapprove said recommendations otherwise the new
recommendations hold.



II. Rifle Classification

a. Light Rifles
b. Medium Rifles
c. Heavy Rifles

III. Rifle Actions

a. Single Action
b. Manual Repeaters (bolt and lever actions)
c. Semi-autos

IV. Ammunition Standards

a. Only Rimfire ammunition will be allowed. We will first focus on 22 caliber as this
is the most common, then proceed to create matches for the other rimfire types.

b. For 22 caliber short, long, or long rifles (LR), only commercial ammunition is
allowed. No handloaded 22 caliber ammunition will be allowed.

c. Shooters must choose accurate and reliable rimfire ammunition as there are no alibis or
refires for malfunctions caused by the ammunition or the rifle.

d. The match director has the authority to declare any ammunition unsafe and to
disallow its use.

V. Target Standards

a. We are shooting for PRACTICAL ACCURACY – not formal target accuracy, we therefore will have no pinwheel scoring. It will be similar to combat shooting whether it is 2 or 50 meters what matters is putting it in the size of your palm in the target so to speak, in our case – one MOA. This is one of the factors that will differentiate us from formal long range shooting like the mini Palma courses or Camp Perry courses. Ties wil be decided by a shootout.

b. For reasons of leveling the playing field – meaning a marlin can fight an anchtuz or imported bullets will be level with local ones - all targets will have no center dots or pinwheels and this will never be used to break ties (ties should be broken in some other fashion preferably by a shootout to make things more exciting). The center of all targets will be limited to the following minimums until reviewed (targets to be reviewed every 6 months or annually if shooters are becoming too good (this is separate from the overall rules review)):

1. 25 meters .5 inch center circle
2. 50 meters one inch center circle
3. 75 meters two inch center circle
4. 100 meters three inch center circle
5. 150 meters steel plate or target center circle of 4 inches
6. 200 meters steel plate or target center circle of 6 inches
7. 250meters steel plate or target center circle of 8 inches
8. 300 meters steel plate or target center circle of 10 inches

VI. Safety Standards

VII. Range Standards

VIII. Competitions

a. Competition Officials
1. Range master
2. Scorer

b. Competition Rules
1. Competition levels
a. Club
b. Inter Club
c. Regional
d. National
e. Others
i. Fun shoots

2. Courses of Fire

a. All Courses of fire including targets used must be registered and approved by PTRA.
The reason behind this is so we can document and make these courses available
to all groups around the nation. We can even give the stats once we get the
competition scores – with this we can determine if the course is difficult who
has in it’s history the highest score in that specific course. This will be for
documentary and historical purposes.


b. All approved courses of fire and targets will be made available to all PTRA members


c. Competition Procedures


IX. Awards

Looking at standardized medals so we can bring the costs down. Clubs can give the medals which are separate from prizes.

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